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Given the popularity of the BA M41 pulse rifle and the attention the flamethrower and motion tracker suggestions are getting, I thought I'd start a thread for the heavy weapon of the Alien series: the M56 Smart Gun: Click image for larger view:  Picture of Hot Toy M56 action figure accessoryPowerful, iconic, and an excellent companion to the other Colonial Marine accessories (both currently offered and proposed), the M56 would be a great addition to any sci-fi MOC looking to up their firepower to a near-obscene level. "Let's Rock!"badger
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Great idea Badger! Maybe there should be an Aliens Pack with all three weapons.
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Hmm... I don't know, I do't really think this would make a good brickarm. Mainly, because as a brickarm it couldn't have the mechanical harness attachment to the soldier, which is one of its most distinguished/sci-fi-ish features. Also, it would be very hard, if not impossible to make a minifig hold both of the weapon's grips at the same time, as they do in the movie.
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Its a heavily modified MG42 Machine Rifle. It looks awesome, but if Will makes an MG42, I don't think there will be a need to make this. I think an MG42 could be easily modified to form this thing, but it's always up to Will. Looks awesome though. The prop crew did a nice job turning a WWII beauty, into a futuristic support weapon. Quote:Hmm... I don't know, I do't really think this would make a good brickarm. Mainly, because as a brickarm it couldn't have the mechanical harness attachment to the soldier, which is one of its most distinguished/sci-fi-ish features. Also, it would be very hard, if not impossible to make a minifig hold both of the weapon's grips at the same time, as they do in the movie. Hmm, of one, this would obviously be a hip fired weapon. The minifig would have his hands straight down, to hold the trigger grip. Because of the sheer length of the MG42 frame already, the it is recommended that the minifg hold the thing sideways. That way, it can also hold the forward grip. Picture of figure using side-grip poseNOTE THE FIG TO THE FAR LEFT, WITH THE LEGO RIFLE perhaps the fig will hold the weapon like that?
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Dragon wrote:Mainly, because as a brickarm it couldn't have the mechanical harness attachment to the soldier, which is one of its most distinguished/sci-fi-ish features. Actually, there's nothing sci-fi about that harness at all: it's the standard harness used by a steady-cam operator to obtain smooth, handheld shots.  It's use with a firearm, however, is fiction. Given that the main body of the weapon is what most people recognize as the smart gun and the design of the weapon is such that it looks quite good on its own, I'd argue that the harness isn't critical to the design for a minifig accessory. Mcbob wrote:Its a heavily modified MG42 Machine Rifle. It looks awesome, but if Will makes an MG42, I don't think there will be a need to make this. I think an MG42 could be easily modified to form this thing, but it's always up to Will. While the M56 was created from an MG42, it was extensively altered such that very little, if any, of the original MG42 design is still part of the weapon. I'd say the MG42 relationship is analogous to that of the Auto-9 and a Beretta pistol; one was indeed adapted from another, but represents such a difference in design, I'd think two different accessories wouldn't overlap at all. But, as you say, this entirely would be Will's decision. Mcbob wrote:Hmm, of one, this would obviously be a hip fired weapon. The minifig would have his hands straight down, to hold the trigger grip. Because of the sheer length of the MG42 frame already, the it is recommended that the minifg hold the thing sideways. That way, it can also hold the forward grip. Again, somewhat correct, but rather than fully cross-body pose shown in that picture, I'd say a diagonal hold would be possible, similar to how the Stikfas minigun is held by the minifig. One arm is held at hip level with the hand pointed at a slight angle that points the weapon at approximately a 45 degree angle towards the other half of the figure. The other hand can then be raised and positioned to grip the sidebar handle. badger
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Quote:Again, somewhat correct, but rather than fully cross-body pose shown in that picture, I'd say a diagonal hold would be possible, similar to how the Stikfas minigun is held by the minifig. One arm is held at hip level with the hand pointed at a slight angle that points the weapon at approximately a 45 degree angle towards the other half of the figure. The other hand can then be raised and positioned to grip the sidebar handle. That would work as well. Even better. Thanks for posting that. I think if Will can pull off a grip design similar to the Stikfas Minigun, a minifg could be able to wield it. But only time, and Will's decisions will tell.
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Mcbob wrote:I think if Will can pull off a grip design similar to the Stikfas Minigun, a minifg could be able to wield it. The grip for the M56 is quite different from the Stikfas minigun: the M56 is a straight handle while that of the Stifkas accessory is more of a pistol-style grip on the end of a ball-joint. The M56 would actually be much easier to design and for minifig posing. I mentioned the Stikfas item only as a good example for a weapons that has a natural-looking diagonal hold given this is how an actual person tends to hold the item with one arm down and back, the other extended forward. Some more great reference photos of the M56badger
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Actually I have t admit, I think you guys bashed the eraser gun from that movie, this is WAAAAYYYY uglier, although I'm all in for it.
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I like the look of this gun, and I think it would fit in with the Xeno nicely. I think the greater criticism of the gun from Eraser was that not only was it sort of ugly, but it was not from a widely known movie (at least I had never heard of it). (I hope I did not offend any fans of Eraser with my post.)
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At first, I wasn't a fan of the M56, but watching the YouTube clip bought back many memories of watching the film and the excitement of the "big pulse rifle thingy" rattling away! I'm behind this fella 100%!
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It keeps me wondering though, if a mod wants them so bad, are they going to be seen in the future? I havent seen a disclaimer yet!
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Randomness wrote:It keeps me wondering though, if a mod wants them so bad, are they going to be seen in the future? I havent seen a disclaimer yet! Because I thought it would be readily apparent that if I was suggesting it, it wasn't something Will was currently planning to produce. Just to be clear: there are no current plans for to Will produce an M65, although I certainly hope this changes someday. badger
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I'm only behind it if its modeled in such a way that a minfig can hold it with both hands. I maintain that it is probably one of the most unsightly guns proposed here, although it certainly has street cred.
If Will had the tech to make helmets, I'd want to see this thing offered with a custom helmet with eyepiece. If if if.
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Legohead wrote:I'm only behind it if its modeled in such a way that a minfig can hold it with both hands. Yes, this is a crucial detail of the weapon. If Will were to design an M65, it would most likely be held diagonally across the minifig body. Here's a blueprint of the weapon that showcases its design a bit more clearly. True, it's a stark, utilitarian design, but it still has an appearance that is both designed and powerful-looking. badger
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Legohead wrote:I'm only behind it if its modeled in such a way that a minfig can hold it with both hands. the enigma that is badger wrote:Yes, this is a crucial detail of the weapon. If Will were to design an M65, it would most likely be held diagonally across the minifig body. I thought Will would only make weapons that could be held with one hand, as stated with many other rifles. Alas, it's one of your hearts desires, right? So I'm sure you might go as far as you could with this. ;) Although I'm not too keen on this one myself, because many might not be able to see it as a weapon at a first glance, at least anyone not familiar with the movie Alien? I think it looks like, um, I'm not really sure what it looks like, and others might feel the same.
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encore03 wrote:I thought Will would only make weapons that could be held with one hand, as stated with many other rifles. In regards to one vs. two handed hold items, what concerned Will in the past was being able to design a weapon that could be held two-handed such that the hold looked natural, it fit the minifig anatomy, and the the final accessory was attractive and accurate to its inspiration. However, to aid in the design of all of future weapons, Will recently created a CAD model of an entire minifig. This will allow him to spot-check clearance and size issue in silico and rapid detect design issues before the prototype stage. As such, two-handed grip items will be much easier to develop given Will can design the item around the CAD model of the minifig to make sure the design will fit the fig. encore03 wrote:Alas, it's one of your hearts desires, right? So I'm sure you might go as far as you could with this. ;) I'm not entirely sure what you mean by this? An M65 is an item I'm fond of, but I wouldn't call it a "heart's desire". . .Will's designing that one next week ;) If by "as far as you could with this", you mean responding to criticisms to the suggestion of an M65 and continue to advocate its addition to the BA line-up, well sure. That's what the forums are for: to pose an idea, allow the community to critique to it, and then respond to that criticism. Peer review takes time and is a somewhat inelegant process, but its highly effective at forcing ideas to prove their worthiness. If you're a fan of a suggestion, I encourage you to be a strong advocate for it (within reason; once Will says "no", that's it). badger
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encore03 wrote:Alas, it's one of your hearts desires, right? So I'm sure you might go as far as you could with this. ;) the enigma that is badger wrote:I'm not entirely sure what you mean by this? An M65 is an item I'm fond of, but I wouldn't call it a "heart's desire". . .Will's designing that one next week ;) Ahhh! The torture is unbearable! O.K. now that thats out of my system, The blueprints couldnt really help me apreciate this weapon. To me it more demeaned it. It made it look like mutilated piece of metal. I apologize if I offended anyone by my statement, I'm just hoping someone can change my mind.
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Well I, for one, have become a huge fan of this weapon, though I wasn't really a fan of it the first time I saw it. I would love for the M56 become part of the BA lineup, as it would compliment the M41 in sci-fi MOCs very well.
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Being a two-handed weapon, I was reluctant to even think about this one. However, now that I have a full minifig modeled in CAD, I can use it to test-fit my designs! I can even interactively adjust the proportions of a weapon until it fits perfectly into a minifig's hands.
I'll do some thinking on this one. If I can pull off an MG42, I could adapt it, and still remain true to the M56's original lineage.
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Hmm . . . I like it! Since one Alien weapon is already produced and another suggested, I think it would be neat to see another. However, I'd like to see a better picture. The pics I've seen make it hard to make out any kind of details.
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